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In this video I discuss the Hand Cannon changes (Hand Cannon Buffs & Nerfs) announced in the sandbox update preview in the recent TWAB, and break down the changes for what to expect in Destiny 2 Beyond Light, and the Crucible Sandbox & Meta in Destiny 2 Beyond Light.
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I'm happy with these changes for primary gunplay, but I have a lot of concern over the state of special weapons in comparison. Made a small mistake on ARs, it is always a 9 shot 0.80s Optimal and 1.30s Base post patch (resilience doesn't increase TtK, it changes it from 8C1B > 9C). More cones to come with the next TWAB segments.
What the hell is the roll on that shotgun lmao
As someone that has used hand cannons since Beta D1 I would agree that this is a great change
150s invalidated all other hand cannons because every other hand cannon was dog shit and didn’t give you a chance vs 600 autos if you got something that’s not 600s did get a nerf but it’s only gonna take 1 more bullet to kill and and simply they gave a buff to hand cannons that may could get you to use it instead of a 150 hand canon but they chose to kill the 150 so there basically will be no change in auto rifle meta we are in now maybe even a spike in it the only 140s that will be used will be thorn and ace and thorn may be moved back to 150 considering how busted it could be, it’s gonna be the year of auto rifles thorn and ace friends
Inb4 cammy cakes makes a video with lunafaction boots and empowering rift snipping people over 100m away with a duke
my killclip quickdraw old fashioned likes this
It’s only for the better for pc. Not a majority of the community
I like the HC rpm change, but in my opinion it should be the other way around.
140’s should become 150’s with their impact/dmg being lowered to that
This would make the HC rpm’s 120 – 150 – 180. A steady 30rpm increase per frame.
Makes more sense to me then 120 – 140 – 180.
Thorn meta incoming boys
I'm both stoked and concerned about the changes to 110's. They definitely needed more range to fill the intended role. The rof is also nice but I'm wondering how many new 120's are we going to get. My Duke is still the best feeling 110 outside of Sturm and it's getting sunset. If we are only getting a few models Bungie really needs to make them "feel good" to shoot or the buffs won't land well. I'm also very picky on the audio as well. I hate the Iron Banner 110. It sounds like a fckn nail gun or an air powered stapler…
I already have over 26k kills on my sun shot, looks like I'm just going to keep using it
Awesome video and stats!!!
Cayde To Ace Of Spades For Waiting So Long To Shine: You Did Good Kid……You Did Good
Sunshot Getting Ready To Erase All Other Hand Cannons That Called It Useless
Bungie:Sunshot Your Now Going To Be Meta!
Sunshot:What Did It Cost?
Bungie:Everything…..
It's about time we are about to get a hand cannon meta. Us Destiny players have been waiting for this for years.
I guess this could be the return of the phrase "sniping pistols", "nuff said lmao.
How is it that no one seems to just realize that the reason why 150’s were WAY more overused over all other archetypes is because 140’s just have absolutely nothing special about then at all??? They get No extra intrinsic boost like other archetypes of guns do and they have the exact same range drop off as 150’s, but worst off they don’t really do much more damage that 150’s “2 extra damage” is a JOKE! buffing 140’s to be 2 head 1 body plus a range buff instead would have been a MUCH better change, 150’s would have stayed the same as they are now, and kept all their already great stats and intrinsic perks, and now 140’s would have been able to have a easier time outgunning and out ranging 150’s with a much easier optimal TTK.
The pvp meta is gonna be all over the place so imma stick too vigilance wing mida sunshot ace and Thorn
not for the better…lowering the skill ceiling is not for the better…stop kissing bungies ass. horrible
My takeaway is that my dukes and austringers, are getting buffed and my redrix is better by process of elimination
The issue with this whole system and the hc nerfs is autos contradict the entire logic behind it don't want a weapon with a faster.ttk buuuuut autos have a faster ttk then all of it's competition now and it's the most forgiving and the easiest to use while hc is still 3 headshots slower ttk and still less range then 600 autos easily it's completely removing any level of skill gap and I just hope the new engine let's them do sandbox updates faster.cause another entire year of only suros and gnawing hunger will hurt the game ppl already don't like it now what's it gonna be like with ability simulator and gnawing hunger the game for 2 years
Whats your opinion on the new exotics?
Warlock and hunter got 2, titan got 1
Warlock got super damage and poison melee
Hunter got teleportation and better knife
Titan got a overshield after revive lmao
We can look at optimal ttks all day and complain that one number is bigger than others. But as Drewsky described in the video. Most people aren’t going to hit that optimal ttk in every gunfight.
Ace of spades will be the top tier, unless they add hawk moon then it will be top tier
DFA DFA DFA DFA DFA DFA
Is your name a play on words from mha?
I cant wait for the day where i see ZERO gnawing hungers in a crucible match
How old is this footage Drew hahah omg… Did anyone else notice the SOLSTIC elemental orbs dropping haha omg. Too funny. And your username changes back and forth between Cones for All and Drewsky hahah wtf.
How are you considering this a buff to Hand Cannons? There is another part of the game called PvE which we continually suffer bc of PvP which makes no sense bc Destiny PvP will never be competitive and and with the new subclasses it definitely won't be balanced though truly it never has. Quit destroying A mainly PvE game for a b.s. unbalanced PvP experience. This has been a major problem just like vault space sense early D1 so I doubt anything will change now!!
Could you not be so rational and logical when discussing things. I want to be mad about my 150's going away and you're making that difficult.
They should have a game mode called before they were nerfed, a lobby where everything is pre nerfed from weapons to abilities, even supers…..
180 needs a buff to .9 ttk
Controversial opinion, ADS with any weapon without rangefinder shouldn't increase your range. You're not any closer to the target so why should you get more range from just ADS
Me : has spent year one playing with sunshot
Bungie : Sunshot is the only 150 now
Me : My training has proved useful it's now time to unleashed my true powers
So here’s what I want to know. Some of the best Aim assists at 92 for 150s and 75/80 respectively for 140s. With that said will that AS scale down to 75/80 respectively or will the old 150s still keep that 92 AS? I hope Bungie “CONEsidering” this cause that would make old 150s still the best option
Changing for the better?
Someone go to the forums and notify all the whiners their precious hand cannons will be fine.
Can’t wait to snipe people with my Sureshot-accurized rounds-rangefinder-explosive payload- range MW- True Prophecy !
Todays 150 will still be better than todays 140. Because they have better stats in every way. Nobody will use todays 140 over spare rations. And nobody will ever use 180.
I'll never not thumbs down the elimination of variety in this game.
I love this new, lighter tone and more playful, type of video. Keep up the great work!
i like this change, so many good hand cannons were dead because 150th are so much better.
Issue is 150s feel better to play with compared to 140s, the feel is never considered when balancing stuff is it…
SUN SHOT THE DUELING HANDCANNON
Ace of spades with the most range for a primary exotic.